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When I say you could live to be 1,000 years old, what’s your first thought?

Posted by Chris Morris on 1st July 2011

I enjoyed an evening with Aubrey de Grey yesterday. Aubrey specialises in the science of ageing and how it can be slowed down and even stopped. If his predictions are right, it may be possible for us to live for hundreds of years – and the life expectancy of a 40-year-old today may be around 1,000.

We won’t be decrepit 1,000-year-olds – the bio-rejuvenation he predicts means we could have healthier bodies than we do now.

Does that sound like science-fiction to you?

In 2005, the MIT Technology Review challenged scientists to disprove the claim, offering a $20,000 prize to any molecular biologist who could demonstrate that it is “so wrong that it is unworthy of learned debate”. Nobody claimed the money; the learned debate continues.

I drifted in and out of understanding Dr de Grey’s scientific explanations. What interests me most is the sociological impact it could have and especially how people feel about living much longer. It’s very curious: most people look first for evidence against the possibility, not for it – they think first of the problems, not the benefits. Why is that?

When I told people I was going to meet Aubrey, the most common response was light mockery. His long beard does not help in this respect. “He looks like Gandalf de Grey”, said one chap. While most people realise that being a good gerontologist doesn’t require regular beard-trimming, I think we react flippantly to his ideas because they’re such big ideas.

Most people claim to be busy these days, but most people also feel like they’re on a treadmill. Having 10x more time… that’s a lot to take seriously.

We tend to get prematurely practical too. “What about overcrowding?”, “The pension age would have to rise”, “The planet is already struggling to cope with our excesses”.

Those concerns only make sense if you think this one technological advance could happen in isolation. It’s much more likely to happen alongside the development of clean energy and more efficient ways to live in the vast areas of our planet that are currently uninhabitable.

Then there’s the cultural hypnosis. When people think time is valuable and finite, they tend to convert their time into money and hoard it for the future. That way they can convert it back later, enjoying their last few years without any ‘work’. This seems insane to me. But if you think like that, it makes sense to want the best time:money conversion rate – so savings and pensions become important and suddenly getting more time might devalue our stock.

When you extend your life expectancy, a lot of this cultural hypnosis is exposed. The life we were taught to expect (the learning/development phase – the productivity phase – the retirement/illness phase) is much less than the life we could be enjoying.

How would you be living today if you knew you were going to live another 100, 500 or 1,000 years?

When I let my mind go quiet, I notice some of my own beliefs about ageing. My grandparents lived into their early 90s and I’ve already had about 30% of the time they had. Rightly or wrongly, I believe I’ll probably live a bit longer than them – so, on balance, I think I’m about 25% done. Those are just a cluster of beliefs, of course, but you know how much beliefs guide our lives. I also realise I’ve mentally written-off some years at the end of my life. So the race is on to contribute something to the world – I haven’t done much so far, and time is running out. Tick, tick, tick.

For Aubrey, it’s simply about health – if we can clean up the damage that comes from metabolism before it creates pathology, all kinds of illnesses that affect older people will never arise. Goodbye heart disease and Parkinsons, hello 950th birthday. Just make sure you can afford all the candles.

When I asked him about the sociological implications of such longevity, he dismissed the question brusquely. His view: “If disease is preventable, why do you want to die?”

If people won’t get behind the science until it’s put into a sociological context? “Make those people feel stupid”, he boomed.

Making people feel stupid is not my style. Besides, people already have long memories. Can you imagine if they held a grudge for 1,000 years?

The biggest thing I got from meeting Aubrey is a new perspective on what’s possible now. My generation may be on the edge of this new way of living and it may not. The options that may be available in 20-40 years may only extend our life expectancy by 20 years, but further research during those 20 years may improve the technology, and that could continue exponentially. The healthier we are when we start, the better our chances of continuing. According to Aubrey, the first 150-year-old and the first 1,000-year-old will probably be born only 20 years apart. As we tucked into our Time & Space platters – with all that deep-fried tempura, chips and chicken wings – I wondered if my lifestyle today could be knocking hundreds of years off my life. Aubrey had a burger on the side, though. So I remain hopeful.

What might life be like in 1,000 years? What might your life be like today if you knew you were going to live that long?



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15 responses:

vince

1st July 2011 (3:26 pm)

I can’t wait to be pre-pubescent again…

John Wyndham, more famous for his triffids, wrote a book which explored this idea. Its called “The Trouble With Lichen”, and is very thought provoking.


IanVisits

1st July 2011 (3:29 pm)

I am not sceptical about the idea, although I am very sceptical about him. He did not come out at all well in a Horizon documentary a few years ago, and I haven’t seen much to change my mind since.

However, I think that practical issues of population size, cost, etc aside, I think what puts people off the idea is the concept of self-identity.

What is it that makes me, me?

Am I just a programme stored in a rather unreliable organic computer carried around in a failing carcass – in which case it doesn’t really matter if spare parts are used to replace faulty components.

But what if I think of myself as a person, an entity made up from the collection of the body, the brain, the experiences. Is the face I see in the mirror what defines me as who I think I am, or is that just a container and as replaceable as the coloured fascias people used to put on their mobile phones?

For example, do we look at our grandfather’s trusty old workshop hammer and think of it as “his hammer”, or do we take into account that every single part of that hammer has been replaced over the years, but we still look at it as granddads hammer that he has had for over 50 years.

Our oddly more disposable society might make us less comfortable with repairs to the human body, as we have lost that tradition of repairing everything else while still retaining the emotional link to “granddads hammer”.

How curious that technology might kill off Aubrey’s vision of replacement parts, because we have forgotten what it means to repair something.


Chris Morris

1st July 2011 (3:36 pm)

Thanks, Vince – I’ll check out The Trouble With Lichen.

And Ian, great comment – I love it. Thanks! (The hammer analogy really hits the nail on the head.)


Mark Coleman

1st July 2011 (3:56 pm)

I am in the Middle of reading ” the Rational Optimist ” by Matt Ridley. It might be a good starting point for those that fear a future. As a lifelong procastinator I love the idea of having all the time in the world.


Julie

1st July 2011 (5:00 pm)

Fucking hell, I thought I’d done well when I got to 50. 950 more?


Liedewey

1st July 2011 (5:10 pm)

I would wait for your reply on my email with lots more patience(by factor 200) :-)


Steve Cowie

1st July 2011 (5:11 pm)

My first thought was that I may just catch up with my reading list and then some travelling.

I realised sometime back that I will not be able to read all the books I’d like in one lifetime – and do other things – like, you know, eat, sleep, etc.

Travel broadens the mind; a journey including discovering other’s maps. I find this a useful belief towards gaining wisdom.

And then there is the experience of 1000 years of Being. I wonder if one might evolve, or, the sum total of being and knowing enables an emergent property unbeknownst to us?

Whatever the duration, I rather like the quote:

“The living are just the dead on holiday”

(Maurice Maeterlinck, 1862 – 1949)


Chris Morris

1st July 2011 (5:23 pm)

Oh Maurice Maeterlinck is very interesting. I was Little Yniold in Pelléas and Mélisande when I was about ten and I haven’t eaten lamb since. He’s one of the great Symbolists. Great quote!

Liedewey, I reply to all e-mails eventually. I get a lot but I do reply. Best wishes!


Liedewey

1st July 2011 (5:27 pm)

thnx Chris, I plan to live a hundred years more after reading your blog so I am not in a hurry anymore


MartinY

1st July 2011 (11:46 pm)

What I am? a vampire?


Tony

4th July 2011 (9:21 pm)

I love the concept… my Dad always said it was a great fault & shame of humanity to not be able to live LONG, and I do mean Long! I would be able
to accomplish so much more, I would ask for regenerative tissue, especially for dental concerns, and to remain virile and have optimal health. Always. As for the wicked, perhaps their genes would not conform to such technology, which would eliminate the perpetuation of evil. Just a thought or two. ;)


Daniel Wiafe

6th July 2011 (11:15 am)

Funny, I always imagined myself living to be about 100 to 120 years old. That would be fabulous if one could live to be 1,000 years old… but I personally think that part of the life cycle includes us living a good life while we’re down here… and then moving on to the next step in life… once we do die.


Dave

6th July 2011 (11:39 am)

My first thought would be were do i sign up.
The thing i fear most by far is death.
If i was rich i would help fund Aubrey de Grey.

It very sad that people have to die, now this would also prevent illness, i.e cancer.

Shouldnt everyone have a choice when they went to die?

Think how many amazing things will happen within a thousand years.

What im worried maybe it will take a 1000 years, for people to be bale to live to a 1000.


A Darwis

24th July 2011 (10:14 pm)

My first thought is:
“Wow.. There is so much time for me to build my Empire of Dreams comes True” So.. I don’t have to hardly breakdown my concentration depends on days, weeks, months or even years but centuries..

My second thought is:
“How many failures will guide me to be an expert of hundreds skills”? this question will never bother me again because another question will concern me the most…”would happiness filled my vein of being great”?

My third thought is:
Something “greater” question is not about me.. but what I left behind? Did I left precious for human kind or I left memories of guilty not worth it to live 1000 years

My fourth thought is:
May be I don’t need 1000 years, I can’t argue I need time to create something and realized but not that long.. because it will be only a “looping me”

My fifth thought is:
After 1000 years of life, this is what I’ve got…
Reality is only a ‘perception’ which is mean ILLUSION.
We can only realize that, after we’ve done walking down the traces of REALITY.

My sixth thought is:
However, living and born into the world is a golden opportunity to realize EXEMPTION, this the concept you can find as a Buddha’s Mind
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Clive

26th July 2011 (1:17 pm)

“Prematurely practical” LOL
You say it right, if this technology happens it isn’t the only thing that will happen and of course we’ll adapt as we always have. Actually the whole world could already live in Texas if we built one big city in the style of New York (http://gothamist.com/2011/07/25/map_if_the_world_lived_like_new_yor.php) but it’s interesting what you say, people see problems not opportunities.


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